The Stonehenge Sentinel
February 1, 2008 - 1:20 am21 Responses to “The Stonehenge Sentinel”
Running this site’s like a dream come true. I enjoy writing the vast majority of the entries and it’s always good to learn that someone “out there” is reading them. Other than that, it’s wonderful to hear from someone who can add information for everyone else to see and ponder, while I often get sent other material that I can’t immediately post up for one reason or another. I’ve got a lot to say about Silbury Hill after my visit there in November, while there’s also a Stonehenge bluestone story that we’re working on.
Other than that, I’d not heard of John Darrah’s book, but it sounds fascinating and I’ll make a point of getting it. As for the “Stonehenge Sentinel” entry, there’s a great deal more material I’d have liked to have put up, but I thought I’d better call a halt when I did.
The English Heritage book Stonehenge in its Landscape contains many more references to physical features and artefacts that, to my mind, strongly support the ideas I’ve written about, while if you actually wander around Stonehenge and its landscape, there are further features that make it all come together. It’s a bit like one of those optical puzzles or illusions, because once you’ve finally seen the image, it’s hard to imagine how you could ever have missed it.
Or, as Magellan remarked “The church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round; for I have seen the shadow on the moon and I have more faith in the shadow than in the church.”
Dennis,
At least one “someone out there” (namely me) has eagerly awaited your every entry since I first discovered Eternal Idol about a year ago! Not only is your site a wonderful way to keep up with what’s going on with current Stonehenge and Silbury discoveries and theories, but you have also presented many fascinating ideas and theories of your own that–whether they are ever able to be proven as historical fact or not–stretch the mind and explore new areas of possibility that some people may not have previously considered. Thank you for the time you take to share all that you do here.
It is interesting that the previous commentator was reminded of similarities between your latest post and the Arthurian romances. From the first time I read of your theories relating the individuals you have sometimes identified as the “Lame Kings” I have been overwhelmed by the similarities with the stories of the Fisher King, which appeared in the later Arthurian tales. (Although they were apparently derived from earlier Celtic myth.) Now that you have identified the lame ones at Stonehenge as sentinels, this similarity has been further strengthened.
The Fisher king of the Arthurian Romance was a high-ranking individual, who suffered from a debilitating leg injury. Furthermore, he was tasked with the duty of protecting the most potent of earthly powers, the grail. The similarity with your description of the Stonehenge sentinel is, I believe, inescapable. I am unsure as to what this may mean, but it is clear that whatever was taking place at this time at Stonehenge has reverberated through human history, leaving echoes in the culture and religion of every subsequent age.
Keep up the excellent work, I am very much looking forward to reading more of discoveries relating to Silbury.
I’m having to rely purely on memory here, but Mike Pitts makes a very good point about the “forgotten uses of Stonehenge” – my words, not his. It’s either in Hengeworld or somewhere on the internet and I think was to do with another body from the ditch that turned out to be Saxon.
His point, and I’m paraphrasing poorly from memory, was that we tend to think that nothing happened at Stonehenge for considerable periods until such time as we find documentary evidence or other proof to the contrary, at which point the period in question comes alive, as it were. What he describes as an execution at Stonehenge in the seventh century is a perfect example of this.
For my part, I’ve always thought it madness to suppose that such a staggering monument could ever have been ignored or neglected, or that it could have failed to play a significant part in human affairs in each era of its lifetime. In our own times, it has taken on a life of its own with the one million or so visitors that travel there each year to stand and stare in wonderment, while there are also the various pagan groups who have adopted it as their own for one reason or another, not all of them bad ones, either.
Elsewhere on this site, I’ve written about Grime’s Graves and Grim’s Gates, the last being the original name that I think was bestowed upon Stonehenge by the Saxons. I don’t doubt for a moment that it was a highly significant place during Arthurian times as well, but I’ve got a lot more to write about the Stonehenge Sentinels first, while Pete and I are still casting about for the best way to present our Silbury Hill material. In the meantime, I’m interested in hearing from anyone who cares to write in and if you want to post a comment so that everyone else can mull over what you have to say, then all the better.
In the meantime, I’ve been meaning to post this up for weeks, so you might like to have a look at this page sent to me by Dean Talboys. Dean’s clearly taken a lot of time and trouble to put it together, so I’m grateful to him for sending me the link, as it provides something else to ponder over. I’m not too hot on the mathematics of Stonehenge, so I can’t really express an opinion, but any and all positive contributions towards Stonehenge thought are welcome here.
Dennis,
this is great stuff and I’m only sorry that Rupert Soskin and I did not come across your thoughts before we made our film ‘Standing with Stones‘. This research merits a film in it’s own right and I would hope that someone picks up the idea because, whether the theories are agreed with or not, it touches on so much wonderful material that is fundamental to the heritage of the British Isles.
In ‘Standing with Stones‘, although it is a 2 1/4 hour film, we rarely have the luxury of going into such detail as our aim was to cover the whole of Britain and Ireland – there are over 100 sites in the film. However, we do broach the subject of the Druids (how could we not?) and make the point that the idea that the Druids should be associated with Stonehenge, or any other megalithic monument at all, largely springs from the pen of William Stukely. Without his fervent belief that they were built by the Druids and the propogation of the idea by William Blake many years later, would we be so readily disposed to speak of Druids and Stonehenge so synonymously? I’m not saying we shouldn’t – far from it – it’s just that the popular notion of association is very powerful thanks to those gentlemen and given the wide spread popular acceptance of the idea it is quite hard to approach the subject afresh.
Nevertheless, a fresh approach is what you seem to have. The question I have to ask about the Druids if (as you hint) we are allowing departure from the usual association with the Celts in order to push them back in time, is; was the Druidic ‘cult’ associated with race or with culture? For me, this is where confusion seems to arise because my understanding is that ‘The Celts’ are those peoples that adopted the Celtic culture through time – there is no such thing as Celts as a race. I am no expert, or academic, but surely there is no evidence to prove attachment of Druidism to Celtic culture or visa versa, only an observation that both things are evident in the same place and the same time.
I am perfectly willing to accept that Druidism takes us far further back in time than the Iron Age. I find the notion exciting and challenging and I wish you luck Dennis, with proving your argument.
Hello Michael,
First of all, thank you very much for your kind words – I’m very glad you’ve enjoyed reading through various entries on this site and it is always good to hear from anyone who’s done so, or who disagrees with me, for that matter.
I’m flattered that you think my material’s worthy of inclusion in a film, but I’m confident that the Universe is unfolding as it should. I’m sure your film is excellent, so all credit to you and Rupert for going ahead and making it, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who looks forward to seeing it. It’s always heartening to hear that independent-minded people like yourself and Rupert are prepared to put in the effort to promote the truly stunning prehistoric monuments with which the British Isles are blessed, especially when the excavations at Silbury Hill, for example, Britain’s only pyramid, have been virtually ignored (and yes, I have seen the recent BBC productions).
I’m pleased that you think I’ve got a fresh approach, but all that Pete Glastonbury and I have done, really, is to take an intense interest in Stonehenge and Silbury Hill, then to report our various findings and the findings of archaeologists and locals as best we can. As for the business of the Stonehenge Sentinel, for example, I’m certainly not trying to be different for the sake of it, but some of the elements associated with Stonehenge itself and with the “body from the ditch” seemed to be crying out for attention and recognition.
Whoever the man in the ditch was, there was clearly far more to him than simply being a well-fed, muscular man who just happened to be filled with arrows right next to the most stunning monument in Europe, so I’ve tried to put some flesh on his life as well as on his bones, while the name, “The Stonehenge Sentinel” has got to do better justice to this man’s life and death than the previous title “The Man in the Ditch”.
As for the Druids, I’ve certainly not forgotten about them. Indeed, a little while ago, I was very pleased to receive confirmation for my notions about the Latin word “specus” and its links with the Druids from a well-known writer and classical specialist, but as always, it’s a matter of finding the time to write these things up properly and to do them proper justice.
Other than that, I know it’s not an easy thing to make a film and put a DVD together, so congratulations to you and I hope that your labour of love proves to be a big success.
Best wishes from
Dennis
Very interesting as usual, Dennis. Is this a case of The Hunter becoming The Hunted? What is the context of the stone wristguard? Was it actually on him, or just in the grave fill? That the wristguard was interred with him, as an object of his profession/ability and therefore the associated prestige suggests perhaps some ritualised element, or perhaps he was left with something that was significant of his or his dispatchers’ skills.
That the arrow heads were not removed maybe due to the possibility of being impossible to extract from flesh – often the internal pressures within the body are do great that it is almost impossible to pull blades/embedded objects free of the body. It seems possible that the arrowhead tip in the sternum that remained after the shaft was extracted was not shot with great force, this is usually an extremely fragile bone (or rather bones as the sternum is composed of 3 sections) and would easily be pierced by an arrowhead released by a longbow, one would think. Do we/can we know if the entry point is from the posterior or anterior? Likewise it is possible this was not manually extracted by was broken off as the body was turned over to ensure he was dead. The high poundage of draw of a traditional English longbow would be sufficient to pierce it even with a short draw. You wrote in an earlier article (Seeing Red & Pig Ignorance, February 7, 2007) ‘…the shafts were not intended to kill, but to produce the maximum amount of noise from the wounded animals, while in light of what we know of later Druid ceremonies involving humans, it is perfectly possible that some form of divination was being practised from the death-struggles of these creatures.’ Could the same be possible here?
We already know that Archers are extremely important to the Wiltshire landscape – that you mention the fear of sunrise – the notions of death and rebirth, ritual offerings to ensure the sun continues rising and all associated images of offering a strong, vital and robust living thing for sacrifice sing in my mind (though I may have been reading too much out-of-season Pratchett
) perhaps our man here was indeed the Hunter turned Hunted for the continuance of The Hunt…
I am intrigued by the interpretation of this individual as a Sentinel – I couldn’t help but check for my own benefit the derivation of the word, and was surprised to find it also is from from Latin, sentire, ‘to feel’. If this man was to guard or keep watch over the henge, one might wonder at the man’s thoughts and emotions about his duty, in life he may have wondered about his role in death, which was then perpetuated by his interment in the ditch, thus he could continue his vigilance. (My penchant for the phenomenological working overtime again!)
The fragments of bluestone in his grave are interesting – could this be some small sign that this man was a native of the Preseli environs, come with the bluestones to guard the sacred site of their investiture as part of the social bonds that these welsh rocks perhaps suggest; and with his death the inclusion of the the rock of his homeland interred with him as a way of burying him ‘in the earth’ of his own land?
Thanks for a fascinating article and all the work you put into bringing these amazing concepts to the fore – I’ll be mulling this over for a while!
Ah, the Agony and the Ecstasy, in reverse order. On the one hand, it’s great to get another opinion on this and to hear some pertinent questions asked; from what I understand, every shot came from behind when this man was killed. I don’t know how quickly he died, but while the idea of divination from death-struggles is certainly an appealing one,in a way, I can’t help thinking that the sheer quantity of arrows in this man’s torso was intended to bring him down as quickly as possible and to make sure that he stayed down. His good health and muscular build also incline me to this point of view, but you never know.
As for the word “Sentinel”, I thought it was appropriate, not least because my Concise Oxford Dictionary states that it’s of unknown origin, suprisingly enough. You might be right, though – he may have been left where he was to guard the monument in an afterlife, along with others of his kind, but all the parallels with what we know of Nemi makes me think that this was a secondary consideration to the circumstances of his violent death.
I’m not sure what to think about the bluestone fragments, nor do I know where this man originated, so that’s something for another time, perhaps.
As for where the wristguard was found, there are precise details in one of the links I’ve supplied in the text, while the same document also points out some anomalies in the description of the grave of the Amesbury Archer. Thanks to the miracles of modern technology and my almost complete inability to master them, I can’t reproduce the relevant link for you, I’m afraid, but it’s there all the same.
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Not a bad piece, as you say one could argue for hours, but in 350BC I do not think that Vespasian’s Camp had been built yet, and duels usually take place facing one another for obvious reasons, and while it maybe convenient to date Stonehenge, it is not yet possible, and I believe as with the Sphinx and the pyramids that these monuments are very much older than the science will admit.
From everything I’ve seen and read, Vespasian’s Camp was in its most active period of use in or around 350 BC, but I’ve gone through all this in the Lost City entries.
As for duels or duellists, this was the most convenient term I could think of, but I didn’t mean to imply that I thought a set of sporting Queensbury Rules was in place at the time. There was a formal challenge at Nemi when the Man Who Would be King broke a bough in the grove, but otherwise, we get the impression that the resident priest went around in a constant state of apprehension, which implies he was worried about an unannounced attack, just as any other watchman, lookout, guardian or sentinel would be.
Otherwise, I’ve heard that there’s some new dating evidence on Stonehenge available, so as soon as I can get hold of it, I’ll post it up along with a link for everyone to see.
You’re quite right – we could argue for hours – but thanks for writing in and thanks also for the compliment.
Best wishes from
Dennis
I am new to this excellent site and in that brief time I have seen a very high standard of debate and well argued theories. Sorry if I contribute too much but I am a bit like a kid at Christmas at the moment with the various articles going beyond the mundane and relatively safe ground of where what and when with some very carefully reasoned and well written whys!
This article reminded me of a chapter in Janet and Colin Bord’s book “Earth Rites”. Chapter nine was entitled ‘The ritual sacrifice of the divine victm” It opens with this paragraph ” Among primitive societies in many parts of the world it was custom to kill their kings as soon as they showed the slightest sign of old age or whilst they still reigned with full health and vigour’ (referenced as Frazer, The Golden Bough ch XXIV).
William II (i.e Rufus third son of William The Conqueror) was named as a willing victim – killed by an arrow! That may be just a coincidence as Beckett was also considered to have been a willing sacrifice but the parallels to the article above was a bit of a “Eureka” moment.
Waiting to be “shot down”
Au contraire – you’ve anticipated one of my future posts, because I’ve long been very interested indeed by William II, who, incidentally, launched an abortive invasion of Wales before he was killed. Still, that’s for another time.
As for sending in multiple comments, you’re more than welcome, as is anyone at all who can contribute any original thought on Stonehenge or Silbury Hill. Pete and I spend a great deal of time, in various ways, engaged with these two monuments, and we have a great deal to say about them, either by way of covering the excavations or else by putting in the public domain various matters we’ve discovered, such as the Altar Stone.
There’s no requirement for us to agree with what people have to say or vice versa, because anything that gets the grey matter working has simply got to be a good thing, as I never tire of writing. Non-specialists and non-archaeologists always welcome.
And thank you also for your kind words – they’re always welcome too!
Recent excavations to the west of the Henge (August 2008)confirm the existence of a long pallisade of oak trunks some 20 feet high running about a mile and a half long. A major piece of work and it’s only purpose according to the dig supervisors from the River Project (and I concur with them) would have been to screen Stonehenge from unwanted non-innitiates to the ceremonies at the Stones. Far more likely that your Sentinel was an interloper shot down by the real sentinels guarding the sacred area as he tried to enter it. Some anecdotal evidence that stones may have been garlanded with metals both bronze and precious may provide a motive for sneaking into the passes only area.
I am intrigued by this burial, which seems to get overlooked quite often. I think you are headed in the right direction here, though my gut feeling is that maybe he was intended to be a sentinel in death rather than life. I have been collecting data on burials at the terminals or in the ditches of various henge (and similar) monuments and found some decidedly ‘dodgy’ ones which do vaguely smack of ritual killing. The most interesting was a timber circle in Wales where a young man was found in similar position to our archer–and there was also an arrowhead embedded in his bones.
If anyone doesn’t know, they have done a holographic reconstruction of the archer’s face now, which you can see in Salisbury Museum.
I couldn’t agree more about the matter of this man or this burial being overlooked, which is why I felt he deserved more than just being known as “the burial in the ditch.” As for your idea that he was intended as a sentinel in death rather than in life, I think it’s probably more of a convincing idea, all things considered, than what I originally wrote.
Thank you very much for writing in and if you’d like to tell us all more about your related discoveries or thoughts, then please feel free to submit all the material and links you like.
Thanks to Aynslie, here’s a fascinating archaeological development concerning the ‘Golden Bough’ and the Temple at Nemi.
Have you given any thought to the biblical references concerning Nephilim being among the pre-flood population, ‘The mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame’ Genisis 6:4 and post flood, Numbers 13:33 ‘ and there we saw the Nehilim, the sons of A’nak, who are from the Nephilim so that we became in our own eyes like grasshoppers and the same way we became in their eyes. NWT.
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from the start of this entry to its finish, I couldn’t help being reminded of the connections that John Darrah makes between the Nemi challengers, similar challenges in stories from various Arthurian romances, and his belief that the Arthurian ones are based on possible historical British cult practices from the period when Stonehenge was still in use in his book The Real Camelot. Your speculations would fit together very neatly with some of his.